P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)

Removed from Cartoon Research FB page:

John K: "Remind me to tell you my stories about hanging out with Michael sometime. " (The filename on the photo as uploaded to blogger was "mybestfriend+copy.jpg"
https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2010/07/beautiful-people-23.html

John K: "What Pee Boners Are For-starring Slab 'N' Ernie-Michael Jackson's favorite cartoon!"
https://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2006/05/john-k-retrospective-may-28-santa.html

Exclaim.ca: "What has been your strangest celebrity encounter?"
John K: "Michael Jackson. Michael's handlers arranged a meeting with Michael and me at Neverland. This went on for months and months and months until finally it happened. The deal was that Michael wanted to start a family network: The Michael Jackson Family Network - but real family entertainment that both kids and adults loved. Michael loved my cartoons because kids and adults loved Ren & Stimpy. You see, when you put "family" in front of entertainment, it is generally everything but. My animation partner Kevin and I went to Neverland and waited for a while. You see, Michael really likes to build suspense. The other weird thing about Neverland - it has a lot of fake people all around: a fake butler and maid and fake kids on couches and such. But the real treat of Neverland was the paintings on the wall. One was a painting of Michael holding hands with kids of every race walking down the Yellow Brick Road to the Emerald City. Another one was of Michael as Joan of Arc. And these paintings must have cost a ton of money. Eventually someone came and got us and brought us into a room with a bunch of guys with dark hair and big brown eyes. All of these guys had all met Michael when they were really young and they all were going to be executives in this new network. Michael eventually showed up in the room wearing pyjamas. I found out really quickly that the guys in the room where all hangers on and wanted me to animate all ideas. Michael loved the cartoons, especially the "Pee Boner" cartoon. Michael was doubled over in laughter saying that: "This guy knows what the kids want." Interestingly enough, none of the "hangers on" thought that my work was funny - it probably brought back too many traumatic childhood experiences. I will save the Steven Spielberg meeting for later."
http://exclaim.ca/comedy/article/john_kricfalusi-ren_stimpy

"According to their accounts, the superstar followed the same pattern: After gaining their trust and grooming them to be emotionally attached to him, he convinced them that what was happening was OK and scared them into not telling anyone about it.
It's an awful litany of psychological and physical violations, but the interviews with the men and their mothers, siblings and wives -- if you believe them -- help explain the overwhelming power of Jackson's charisma and influence. The accusation here is that Jackson wooed the parents with lavish shopping trips, cars and promises of career boosts for Robson and Safechuck, and won over the moms, especially, by confiding how empty his own life was.
The self-delusion of these mothers, who find ways to justify letting their sons sleep in the same bed with a grown man, is astounding. So is the ignoring of so many troubling signs. Jackson installs a fax machine into a boy's home so he can send daily affectionate messages? Well, he's lonely. Jackson spends six or seven hours on the phone talking to a boy who lives overseas? Ditto."
https://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/television/2019/03/01/michael-jackson-hbo-documentary-leaving-neverland-abuse/3017256002/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/161346744015168/permalink/1343349889148175/


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Victoria Pagac as a huge michael jackson fan i dont belive the documenty that drawing however is nightmare fuel
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Alex Rudolph
Alex Rudolph Victoria Pagac Have you watched it?
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano Victoria Pagac Did you watch the documentary?
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Maciek Kur
Maciek Kur I seen it and let me tell you it's manipulative as heck... but to be fair all documentaries are (and I speak as a person who actualy spent few good years of his live working as a documentary director)

I don't know did Jackso did this things or not, bu…See More
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Alex Rudolph
Alex Rudolph I couldn’t disagree with you more. Jackson and his family have been telling their story since the first allegations of child sex abuse came out in the early 90s.

As far as evidence, these kinds of things don’t always have evidence. Grooming doesn’t le…See More
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Victoria Pagac Mark Milano I have watched some of it but I have read the fbis fibdings all 300 released pages
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Alex Rudolph
Alex Rudolph Victoria Pagac The FBI documents are mostly heavily-redacted collections of paperwork, files, etc. I don’t know what you got from these that led you to believe he isn’t guilty of molesting at least two children https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson
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Maciek Kur
Maciek Kur Alex Rudolph Oh, I'm sure it prove he did it. That's why the court found him guily, he was in jail and... oh, wait!
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Victoria Pagac
Victoria Pagac I trust 2 grand jurys and the fbi and a not guilty veridit and if that doesn't work for you thats on you
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Alex Rudolph
Alex Rudolph Maciek Kur I don’t know what to tell you. Not all guilty people go to prison, not all people in prison are guilty. We don’t live in a world that rewards and punishes people in a good/bad binary. At the very least, he slept in the same bed as a bunch of children. Draw the line where you will.
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano Victoria Pagac You need to watch the entire documentary. I trust the two men I saw telling their stories for four hours. There’s no way they lied throughout those heartbreaking interviews. If you can’t see that, you are letting your fan worship blind you.
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Victoria Pagac
Victoria Pagac agree to disagree you have a nice day
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano Victoria Pagac Watch the entire doc - then disagree.
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Andrew Snarls
Andrew Snarls Victoria Pagac - You aren't allowed an opinion unless you watch the entire documentary and agreed with everything that's said in it because the #MeToo era demands that you believe accusers 100% of the time and every time they accuse! Even though the a…See More
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano Andrew Snarls Yes, you're not allowed to dismiss the testimony of people who allege child abuse until you hear their entire story. If, after watching their complete interviews, you choose to disbelieve, that's your choice. But you need to give them at least the courtesy of hearing their full story before you decide.
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Andrew Snarls Mark Milano - No, I don't, because they are at this point being paid for their 'testimony', Michael Jackson cannot defend himself, and their testimony is meaningless because what's going to come of it other than disparaging Michael Jackson's reputatio…See More
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano The court case has already been dismissed due to statute of limitations. At a minimum, they deserve a fair hearing. Their testimony is extremely credible.
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Andrew Snarls
Andrew Snarls Mark Milano - They had their fair hearing at one time and they said the complete opposite of what they're saying now. It may have already been dismissed due to statute of limitations but the fact is radio stations because of the documentary have pulled…See More
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Alex Rudolph
Alex Rudolph Wait, who’s getting paid?
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano Andrew Snarls If you watch their entire interviews, they explain very clearly the pressure they were under to lie when they were still children. Accusers are often forced to lie - you need to read more about the trauma of child sexual abuse survivors.
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Andrew Snarls Mark Milano - So the accusers said one thing at one time and now they are giving an excuse as to why they lied under oath and now we should believe them because they are telling us the reallyReallyREAL truth NOW?
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano Andrew Snarls There's no point in continuing to debate testimony you haven't seen.
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Jonathan Gies
Jonathan Gies The denialists always repeat the same handful of tired sentences.

Guys. Just stop. Please. It’s over. After 26 years it’s over. Nobody can deny this anymore. It’s too much.
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Andrew Snarls
Andrew Snarls Mark Milano - Because I don't need to see it. At this point there is only money to be made off of the accusations even though Michael Jackson wasn't found guilty of nothing while he was live he's suddenly guilty now? What is there to gain with this d…See More
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Alex Rudolph
Alex Rudolph Andrew Snarls If your distrust is hinging on Robson and Safechuck being paid, good news— they weren’t paid. There’s no financial benefit to coming forward, reliving your trauma in an incredibly public way, getting hounded by conspiracy theorists who believe you’re lying, regardless of what you say, etc.
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Andrew Snarls Alex Rudolph - So they weren't paid for the documentary at all and you know this how? And they aren't being paid in any other fashion due to the documentary like being on talk shows? How do you know that they aren't being paid? I see very little to g…See More
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Alex Rudolph
Alex Rudolph Andrew Snarls There are other articles, but this one came up first: https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../wade-robson-james-safechuck.../ You’re so close to grasping the idea here when you say “I see very little to gain if they aren’t being paid.” They aren’t p…See More
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thesun.co.uk|By The Sun World News
Were Wade Robson and James Safechuck paid for Michael…
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Andrew Snarls Alex Rudolph - But in no way does that mean they are telling the truth, you understand that right? There is a lot to be skeptical about and that is why I'm skeptical of what they are saying now. Today social activism is a currency, victimhood is a cu…See More
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Alex Rudolph Andrew Snarls You’re right, I don’t see the benefit in telling people you were repeatedly raped as a child. I don’t like in an Alex Jones world where anybody’s doing that for some imagined cultural capital.
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Andrew Snarls Alex Rudolph - Why do ignorant people like you, when somebody disagrees with you, you bring up Alex Jones or Trump as though the person you are communicating with support those people? You know nothing about me, I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, De…See More
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Alex Rudolph You can vote Democrat and still be a conspiracy theorist, i.e. two men whose stories were fact-checked for a year said they were the victims of sexual abuse and you almost literally said “follow the money.”
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Mark Milano
Mark Milano Once again, there's no point debating a documentary with someone who refuses to watch it.
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Andrew Snarls Victoria Pagac - Gotta love these people who responded to your comment on this post only to find themselves superior by saying they can't have a debate with someone who hasn't seen the documentary, even though they are the ones who replied to you and then trolled anyone who might agree with you.....
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Victoria Pagac
Victoria Pagac Andrew Snarls thank you for trying to defend my honor people can think what they want I don't wana fight with anybody ted is my friend so I felt safe to post the comment
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Mary Faught
Mary Faught Mark Milano you mean the one sided mockumentary that even Robson's and Safechuck stories don't match the the timeline and did you know in 2005 Robson asked Michael Jackson could he get marry on Neverland to his wife awhile he on trial that's not in the movie. If you did 20 mins of research on those guys you would find out the they are liars. (They need money bad for fact Safechuck is getting sued for awhile now from family members because someone left money for the whole family when this person died. They are saying he took it all. It is public record.) You know they are in the entertainment business right? so they know how to act to fool the audiences. Now in Australia they cut out like 55 mins each of the movie before director send to them. Explain that
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Dale Hopson
Dale Hopson I believe the maid...
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[ATTEMPTED POST] Ted Watts The important thing is that we can all come together and remember that John K admitted to having a 16 year old girlfriend, and we have pictures of him at her 15th birthday party because he started grooming her when she was 14, and that whether or not Michael Jackson did what he is accused of, John K has admitted to doing approximately what Jackson is accused of (on the cheap, of course).
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Glen Banks
Glen Banks Michael Jackson is as guilty as O.J.
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Jim Gray Who did he kill?
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The Story of Isaac

https://twitter.com/TopographicFish/status/994910614500859905

Heads I Win, Tails You Lose

This is also a problem:
http://www.intanibase.com/forum/posts/t4235-REGARDING-CERTAIN-ANIMATORS-DIRECTORS-BEING-EXPOSED-AS-SEXUAL-PREDATORS
The dictum is that the cure to bad speech is not to prohibit it, but to have more speech. That dictum is imperfect, but a culture of "one side only" is part of what kept the problem dark. Do you want to defend John K.? Make your case. Keep it civil. Do not be threatening. And don't expect anyone to agree with you. But I don't think you should be silenced for just being on what I think is the obvious wrong side of this.

Cirrhosis of the Heart

Comments on the John K Studios Instagram account are being heavily moderated to remove negative comments, presumably largely stemming from the accusations of improper conduct. If you would like your opinions retained for future reference, feel free to include them in the comments below.

Everything You Say Will Destroy You

I interviewed John K on September 27th, 1995. The time period is relevant to the timeline of the recent discussions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG4O2xi8vRE

Discussing what the paper is (a college paper); followed immediately by a suggestion by John
(0:39)
JK: Tell all the university girls to come see me. The smart ones. Big brown eyes.
Me: Ok we know your preferences. Anything like Sody Pop….
JK: Yeah yeah. Run a contest. Sody Pop lookalike contest.
Me: Hmm, that would be fun…
JK: Win a date with a genius.

3:30
JK I've got my own theories about what all the laws should be and one day when I'm king of America I'll do that, I'll change everything;
Me: OK
JK: I'll say 'More university girls for all cartoonists'.

21:22
JK:Hey do you know about Al's Bar in Hamtrak…
Me: [inaudible]
JK: Hamtramck, is that what it's called?  it's called Lily's bar I think
Me: Lily's 21 and over?
JK: You should get everyone to go there, I'm gonna be there one night, not really sure which night it is. I guess  if people call
Me: what are you going to do there
JK: I'm just going to hang out with people, shoot the shit. "

32:40 (gives old spumco AOL email address)
33:09 JK: That's where you can yell at us for corrupting Americans

We've Been Had

Hey, did you know that John K had a successfully funded Kickstarter for a new George Liquor cartoon? It was successfully funded on August 17, 2012! 3,562 backers pledged $136,723 to help bring this project to life! The estimated delivery for the cartoon was February 2013!

March 31, 2018: No one has gotten the cartoon.

An apparently complete but without backgrounds done version screened at Annecy in June 2016.
https://twitter.com/annecyfestival/status/740161890308005889

In the last two years, there's only been one update posted on the Kickstarter. They didn't bother to tell anyone about that Annecy screening through th Kickstarter.

John K mentioned it was "almost finished" in a Facebook post (date stamps in the post are old):
https://www.facebook.com/john.kricfalusi.5/photos/a.342338955921402.1073741825.342338899254741/777167605771866/?type=3&theater
""Scott Pikulski What happened to the kickstarter? It's been 5 years?
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John Kricfalusi
John Kricfalusi almost done, man.
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"Dennis Peña Cut the crap and release Cans goddamit
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John Kricfalusi
John Kricfalusi soon. I hope you will like it
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John Kricfalusi
John Kricfalusi just doing the titles and credits now
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His last update on the Kickstarter was hand written lined paper and appeared as images in the post; why this was done is unclear.

It mentions the cartoon is done!

It then fails to provide the cartoon.

It also mentions a new animation studio he's starting to mold young artists.

As it's the most recent message we had, and since it lets people know his forthcoming plans for young people, I thought I'd put it here, since only backers can see the post on the Kickstarter. [note I've tried to retain the spelling and punctuation; he seems to put apostrophes after most but not all final "s"es; the title of the post calls the new show "StinkTime Theater", the body image says "STINKyTime Theatre"

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1056985656/john-ks-cans-without-labels/posts/1956205


"Aug 6 2017
Update and Preview of StinkTime Theater
[Following transcribed from hand written lined paper note images on the post; why this was done is unclear]
Hi folks!
as you heard, the cartoon is finished and we are now working on the Supplemental side.
I thought you might like to see how the whole process works', so I am going to include some scenes' that show all the steps' our animation takes!
[image of Stimpy pointing right and arrow pointing right]\[page break]
[image of angry Ren with word ballon "Keep reading."]
You'll see the original story sketches' - pencil, pen Layouts' - Pencil and cintiq.
Rough animation -
CG BG elements'.
maybe some Backgrounds too.
Once he supplemental stuff is done and I finish the cover art, then it will be ready to print them on DVDs' for you.
[page break]
OH, and BTW, we are also sending a phone-doodle to each of the $10 donoors'.
we sent aBout a HUNDRED of them out so far and we'll send the rest in the next few weeks.
Some of the phone doodles' are actually development sketches for stories we are working on.
see the samples below
[page break]
We have Been BuiLDiNG the 'digitoys''.
[images of a boy, a car and a dog, with sound effects]
[page break]
Now we have to find a programmer to make them work on multiple platforms.
I have no idea how long that takes and that's why I am sending phone doodles in the meantime.
Once we have [ing crossed out] working digitoys, then we'll upload them for the $10 donors' and anyone else that asked for them.
[page break]
In other news', we are setting up a new studio in Miami to produce a TV series'.
It will take at least a year to get it functional, Because I will have to train all new artists, cartoonists, animators and assistants. mostly from scratch.
thanks to all!
John K
[page break]
[four pages of drawings]
Lets all go to STINKyTime Theatre
[crossed out: Where everyone is Ripe]
Bring your mom + pop
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Hype
Yipe
[drawing of cats in a car; behind, a cat in a bathtub]

Return of the Rat

I had turned the Ren and Stimpy Shit Storm blog off years ago, after it shut down a good number of Spumco related blogs because John K held his breathe and was pouting so very hard that there was conversation outside of his control about what he had to say. The constant personal attacks against me by a coterie of his supporters was unpleasant enough that I was willing to just declare a small victory that I had driven the man so insane he was willing to shut down his online life and require his followers to shut down theirs too, and I turned off this blog's availability.

I had thought that it was just that John K was such a control freak that he couldn't stand for anyone else talking about him. I thought it was just that he had to curate his reputation so that no one could question his fragile illusion of genius.

While I think those things may till be a part of it, I now wonder if there was a more specific pressing need behind the mad push against an easily accessible open forum to say whatever you might.

You've read this article, right? If not, go ahead and read it, thoroughly. Make sure you get to the end (sometimes you may think an ad signals the end, but keep scrolling to make sure there isn't more of it).
https://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/john-kricfalusi-ren-stimpy-underage-sexual-abuse

In retrospect I think an open (and inherently hostile) place to talk was more than a simple reputational threat. It represented a specific forum that specific issues might be raised in. Those issues have now been raised. There's no point in the members of the cult of personality fighting this anymore. 

There is a post or two earlier than this one that I made for my own reference after the initial run. There will be a few new posts after this on, to catch up on the last few years. I'll have some things to say. Maybe you will too. Try to be kind to each other. And for those who do not deserve kindness, nevertheless strive to be accurate.

The Storm is once again open.